Si elle s'est engagée à lui rapporter (en dot) mille dinars, il les désigne comme quinze manah. [Mille dinars valent dix manah; et quand le marié vient l'accepter et l'écrire dans la kethubah, il écrit un tiers de plus, ce qui équivaut à quinze manah (Si la mariée lui a apporté des dinars réels; car il gagne par eux.)] Et par rapport à l'évaluation , il en désigne un cinquième de moins. [Si elle lui a apporté des vêtements et des bijoux qui doivent être évalués, il écrit (dans la kethubah) un cinquième de moins (que l'évaluation). Par exemple, si elle a apporté une évaluation de mille zuz, il n'en reconnaît que huit cents. Car c'est la pratique des évaluateurs de la propriété de la mariée de l'évaluer à plus que sa valeur de prêter la distinction à la mariée et de la faire aimer à son mari.] Si l'évaluation était un manah et la valeur d'une manah, [c'est-à-dire , s'ils évaluaient la propriété de la mariée à sa valeur réelle sur le marché], il n'a qu'un seul manah. [Ils n'écrivent dans la kethubah qu'un manah, comme ils l'ont évalué.] (Pour) une évaluation d'un manah, elle donne trente et un sela et un dinar. [Pour une évaluation qu'il accepte comme un manah, c'est-à-dire, là où ils lui ont dit: écrivez un manah dans la kethubah, et elle vous rapportera la valeur d'un manah, il doit être évalué dans la chambre nuptiale comme étant trente et un sela et un dinar, qui est un manah et un cinquième.] Et pour quatre manah, elle donne cinq manah. [Quand le marié a pris sur lui d'écrire quatre manah, elle donne cinq manah selon l'estimation des évaluateurs.] Quoi que le marié écrit, il en écrit un cinquième de moins. [S'ils l'ont évalué en premier et qu'elle le lui a apporté, qu'il s'agisse d'une petite ou d'une grande évaluation, il en écrit un cinquième de moins.]
Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot
והוא פוסק כנגדן ט"ו מנה – they are one thousand Denars [that the woman brings into the marriage], which are ten Maneh, and when the groom comes to accept upon himself and to write in the Ketubah , he writes one third more, which are fifteen Maneh, and if the bride brought in to him discernible Denarim because he profits through them.
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English Explanation of Mishnah Ketubot
Introduction
This mishnah discusses the sums of the dowry written in the ketubah. Customarily the woman would bring a dowry consisting of money, objects and potentially land (our mishnah does not discuss land, because its location and not value was written in the ketubah). The amount of dowry that the husband would write was the amount he would be obligated to return to her upon divorce or death. If she brought a dowry of money, he would write a higher sum than she actually brought since he benefits from the use of the money. If she brought movable property into the marriage, he writes an amount one-fifth less, for it was customary to overestimate the value of the dowry to make the bride and her family sound richer than they really were.
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Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot
וכנגד השום – if she brought in [to the marriage] clothing and ornaments that require estimation, he agrees to restore one-fifth less, so if he brought in an estimated value of one-thousand Zuz, he doesn’t accept upon himself other than eight hundred, for it the manner of those who come to estimate clothing and the property of the bride to estimate them as greater than their worth in honor of the bride and to make her more beloved to her husband.
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English Explanation of Mishnah Ketubot
If a woman agreed to bring her husband one thousand denarii he must agree to give her a corresponding sum of fifteen maneh. If a wife brings into the marriage 1000 denarii of cash, the husband writes that he has received 1500. This is because for the duration of the marriage he benefits from the use of the money.
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Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot
שום במנה ושוה במנה – meaning to say, if they did not estimate the property of the bride and her adornments other than like they are worth in the marketplace.
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English Explanation of Mishnah Ketubot
As a corresponding sum for appraised goods, he agrees to give one-fifth less. If she brings in goods whose value has been assessed, the husband need write in the ketubah only a fifth less of the value. The primary reason, according to most commentators, is that dowries tend to be overestimated (just like people planning weddings tend to be overcharged!). The husband should not have to pay for his overestimation. However, the mishnah notes that if he wrote 100 zuz in ketubah and she brings in goods that are actually worth 100 zuz, he cannot ask for more. The mishnah now illustrates two cases where the amount written in the ketubah is less than she actually brings into the marriage. If he writes 100, she must bring in 125 denarii (sela=4 denar). That is to say, he has reduced the amount by 1/5. Similarly if he writes 400 zuz worth of goods, she must bring 500.
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Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot
אין לי אלא מנה – they should not write into the document of the Ketubah other than a Man as they have estimated.
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English Explanation of Mishnah Ketubot
[If a husband is requested to enter in his wife's ketubah] “goods assessed at one maneh”, and these are in fact worth a maneh, he only [must agree to] a maneh. [Otherwise, if he is requested to enter in the ketubah:] “goods assessed at a maneh”, his wife must give him thirty-one sela and a denar, and if “at four hundred”, she must give [him goods valued at] five hundred. Whatever a bridegroom agrees to give [his wife in her ketubah] he writes one fifth less [than the appraised value]. The husband too, when he promises to bring a certain amount of goods into the marriage (for instance clothes or perfume for his wife) writes the value at one/fifth less. This is true because these goods are also generally overestimated.
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Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot
שום במנה היא נותנת שלשים ואחד סלע ודינר – the estimation that he accepts her for a Maneh that they told him, write “Maneh” in the Ketubah and she shall bring in an estimation of a Maneh. They must place it in the house of the wedding ceremony thirty one Selah and a Sinar which is a Maneh and a fifth larger.
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Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot
ובארבע מאות – the estimated value that the groom accepts upon himself to write four hundred [in the Ketubah], she gives five hundred according to the valuation of those designated/appointed.
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Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot
וכשחתן פוסק וכו' – and if they estimated first and she brought in to him whether a small or a large valuation, he writes into the document one-fifth less.
