Talmud do Edujot 2:7

Rav Huna said: Who is the Tanna of “participants in pigeon contests”? Rebbi Eliezer, as we have stated there⁵⁹Mishnah Idiut 2:7, formulated as testimony in R. Aqiba’s court in the name of R. Eliezer.: “Participants in pigeon contests are disqualified from testimony.” Rebbi Mana said before Rebbi Yose: Is that statement in Sanhedrin Rebbi Eliezer’s⁶⁰If this represents a minority opinion, it should have been labelled as such.? He told him, it is everybody’s opinion. ⁶¹There is a sentence missing here. found in Roš Haššanah: What is meant by “it is everybody’s opinion? That is what R. Yose meant to say:”. It makes clear that one refers to the statement of the Amora R. Yose. The entire discussion does not refer to the Mishnah in Sanhedrin but the one in Roš Haššanah. The text in Roš Haššanah has to be considered as the original. So said Rebbi Yose: We knew that he was disqualified for testimony in money matters. What does he⁶²The witnesses mentioned in the Mishnah Roš Haššanah. come to testify about? For as he is disqualified in money matters, so he is disqualified to testify in criminal trials. The witnesses for the New Moon are held to the standards of criminal trials, as we have stated⁶³Mishnah Roš Haššanah 1:10.: “This is the principle: Any testimony for which a woman is not qualified, they⁶⁴The people disqualified in Mishnah Sanhedrin 3:6. are not qualified for.” Who stated this? The rabbis⁶⁵In the anonymous Mishnah.! Do the rabbis follow Rebbi Eliezer? They agree with him and disagree with him. Rebbi Huna⁶⁶In Roš Haššanah: R. Jonah. In Ševuot: R. Huna. in the name of Rav Huna said: It follows Rebbi Eliezer in everything. It turns out that this disagreement⁶⁷R. Eliezer and the rabbis, R. Meïr and R. Yose (the Tanna). parallels another disagreement, as it was stated⁶⁸Tosephta Makkot 1:11, in the name of R. Jehudah (student of R. Eliezer’s student.): A perjured witness is disqualified for any and all testimony required by the Torah, the words of Rebbi Meïr. Rebbi Yose said, when has this been said? When he was found perjured in criminal matters. But if he was found perjured in money matters, he is disqualified only from that particular testimony. It turns out that Rebbi Yose parallels the rabbis and Rebbi Meïr Rebbi Eliezer.

Rav Huna said: Who is the Tanna of “participants in pigeon contests”? Rebbi Eliezer, as we have stated there³⁰⁵Mishnah Idiut2:7, formulated as testimony in R. Aqiba’s court in the name of R. Eliezer.: “Two in the name of Rebbi Eliezer. A woman may go out with a city of gold³⁰⁶On the Sabbath a woman may go into the public domain wearing a golden diadem depicting the walls of a city. This is classified as jewelery which is standard clothing for a woman., and participants in pigeon contests are disqualified from testimony.” Rebbi Mana said before Rebbi Yose: Is the entire statement in Sanhedrin Rebbi Eliezer’s³⁰⁷If Mishnah Sanhedrin3:6 represents a minority opinion, it should have been labelled as such.? He told him, it is everybody’s opinion. What means “it is everybody’s opinion”? ³⁰⁸Here starts the discussion of the Mishnah in Roš Haššanah… So said Rebbi Yose: We knew that he was disqualified for testimony in money matters. What does he³⁰⁹One of the witnesses mentioned in the Mishnah Roš Haššanah. come to testify about? For as he is disqualified in money matters, so he is disqualified to testify in criminal trials. The witnesses for the New Moon are held to the standards of criminal trials, as we have stated: “any testimony for which a woman is not qualified, they are not qualified.” Who stated this? The rabbis³¹⁰Since the Mishnah is anonymous.! Do the rabbis follow Rebbi Eliezer? They agree with him and disagree with him. Rebbi Jonah in the name of Rav Huna: It follows Rebbi Eliezer in everything. It turns out that this disagreement³¹¹R. Eliezer and the rabbis, R. Meïr and R. Yose (the Tanna). parallels another disagreement, as it was stated³¹²Tosephta Makkot1:11, in the name of R. Jehudah (student of R. Eliezer’s student.): “A perjured witness is disqualified for any and all testimony required by the Torah, the words of Rebbi Meïr. Rebbi Yose said, when? If he was found perjured in criminal matters. But if he was found perjured in money matters, he is suspect in money matters and disqualified in money matters.” It turns out that Rebbi Yose parallels the rabbis and Rebbi Meïr Rebbi Eliezer.