Można ślubować ofiarę pokarmową do 60 issaron i przynieść ją w jednym naczyniu. Jeśli powie: „Przyprowadzę jednego z 61 issaronów ”, może przynieść 60 na jednym naczyniu, a drugi na inny: ponieważ wspólnota przynosi 61 issaron w pierwszy dzień Sukot, który przypada w szabat, wystarczy, że osoba powinna być mniejsza niż wtedy zgromadzenie o jeden. Rabin Szimon mówi: ale niektóre z tych [ofiar zbożowych Sukkot] są przeznaczone dla byków, a inne dla owiec i nie można ich mieszać ze sobą! Raczej [powodem ograniczenia jest to, że] do 60 lat można je dobrze mieszać. Powiedzieli mu: 60 można mieszać, a 61 nie? Powiedział im: wszystkie pomiary Mędrców są następujące: W czterdziestu se'ah [konkretna miara objętości cieczy] zanurza się; w 40 se'ah minus kortov [minutowa miara objętości] nie można zanurzyć się. Nie można ślubować jednego, dwóch lub pięciu logów [wina do libacji], ale można ślubować trzy, cztery, sześć lub więcej niż sześć.
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שמן צבור מביאים וכו' – three Esronim (i.e., three-tenths of an Omer) for a bull, for thirteen bulls they are thirty-nine Esronim, and an Issaron (i.e., one-tenth of an Omer) for a lamb; for fourteen lambs they are fourteen Esronim, and two Esronim; for two rams they are four Esronim, that is fifty seven, and for the two daily offerings/Tamidim, two, and for the two lambs for the Musaf/additional offering for Shabbat is two, this is sixty one. But Rabbi Shimon said to them: But were all of them for that self-same day in one utensil, but weren’t these for bulls and these for rams and lambs, for if he mixed/combined them, he invalidated them, for the meal-offering of bulls – their mixture was thick, two LOG (i.e., a LOG equals the volume of six eggs bulk) for an Issaron, one-half of a Hin for thee Esronim, but for the meal offering of lambs, their mixture was thin, one-quarter of a Hin for an Issaron, which is three LOG, and they absorb one from another , and it is found that this one is less and that one has more. But for what reason does an individual not bring sixty-one Esronim in one utensil, for up to sixty, one can thoroughly mix in one LOG. But this Tanna/teacher holds like Rabbi Eliezer ben Yaakov who stated in the chapter [nine, Mishnah three of Tractate Menahot] “Two Measures”/שתי מדות – even a meal offering of sixty Esronim, it does not have any ought one Log. But even though it was all mixed, since it was appropriate to be mixed, the mixing does not make it indispensable., for such we hold that everything wherever from the proportions and properties of the mixture a perfect fusion is possible, the real act of mixing thoroughly is not indispensable (see Talmud Hullin 83b), but that which is not appropriate for a thorough mixture, the thorough mixture makes it indispensable.
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English Explanation of Mishnah Menachot
A man may offer a minhah consisting of sixty tenths and bring them in one vessel. As we shall see in the argument below between Rabbi Shimon and the other sages, all agree that a person can voluntary bring a minhah of up to sixty tenths and put it all into one vessel. The rabbis will argue below as to why this is permissible.
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Bartenura on Mishnah Menachot
וששים ואחד אין נבללים – in astonishment!
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If one said, “I take upon myself to offer sixty-one tenths,” he must bring sixty in one vessel and the one in another vessel, since the congregation brings on the first day of the festival [of Sukkot] when it falls on Shabbat sixty-one tenths [as a minhah], it is enough for an individual that [his minhah] should be one tenth less than that of the congregation. However, if he offers to bring a minhah of sixty-one tenths, he must put sixty in one vessel and one in another vessel. The number sixty-one is the number of tenths that would have been brought when the first day of Sukkot falls on Shabbat. Fifty-seven would cover the bullocks (13 x 3 tenths), rams (2 x 2 tenths) and lambs (14 x 1 tenth) that the musaf (additional offering), required. Two more tenths are for the tamid (daily) offering and two more tenths are for the musaf of Shabbat. This brings the total to sixty-one. According to the first opinion, if an individual wishes to bring sixty-one tenths, he can only bring up to sixty in one vessel, such that he will have one less than the congregation brings.
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קרטוב (1/64th of a LOG or 3/32 of an egg-bulk) – a fourth of a fourth of a LOG.
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Rabbi Shimon said: but some of these [sixty-one tenths] are for the bullocks and some for the lambs, and they may not be mixed one with the other! Rather sixty tenths mingles [in one vessel]. Rabbi Shimon points out that these sixty-one tenths are not mixed in together on Sukkot, since they are for different animals. The reason that one can bring sixty tenths in one vessel has nothing to do with the amount brought on Sukkot. Rather sixty tenths of flour can mix with one log of oil, but sixty-one cannot.
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Bartenura on Mishnah Menachot
אין מתנדבים לוג – wine for libations. For we have not found a meal-offering of libations of one LOG and not of two nor of five [of wine].
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They said to him: can sixty be mingled [in one vessel] and not sixty-one? The other rabbis question Rabbi Shimon. If sixty-tenths can mix in with one log of oil, then surely sixty-one tenths can also be mixed. Is one extra tenth really going to make that much of a difference!
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אבל מתנדבים ג' לוגים – that are appropriate for a lamb. And four [LOG] that are appropriate for a ram. And six LOG which is one-half of Hin that are appropriate for a bull. But from six [LOG] and above, they volunteer as a free-will offering, for seven are appropriate for three of them for a lamb and four for a ram, and eight are appropriate for two rams, and nine are appropriate for a lamb and a bull, ten are appropriate for a ram and a bull, eleven are appropriate for two rams and a lamb. And similarly throughout.
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He answered, so it is with all the measures prescribed by the sages: a man may immerse himself in forty seahs of water, but he may not immerse himself in forty seahs less one kortob. Rabbi Shimon responds by simply noting that this is the way that halakhah works. When the rabbis set an arbitrary number, that arbitrary number is mandatory and even the smallest deviation is not accepted. For instance, a mikveh is valid if it has 40 seahs of water. If even the smallest amount, a kortov, is missing, the mikveh is invalid, even though such a small absence would not be at all noticeable. Thus, the rabbis have established that sixty seahs can be mixed in one vessel with one log of oil, but sixty-one cannot.
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English Explanation of Mishnah Menachot
One may not offer one [log], two, or five [logs], but one may offer three, four, six, or anything above six. This section begins a new topic. One can voluntary offer three, four, six or more logs of wine, but not one, two or five, for these numbers are never found in the libation offerings mentioned in the Numbers 14:5-10. Three logs are for a lamb, four for a ram and six for a bullock (see also Menahot 9:3). Any number above six is a possible combination of 3, 4 and 6. For instance, 7 would be a lamb and a ram. Eight would be two rams, nine, three lambs and so on. Thus one can make a voluntary offering of wine consisting of any number higher than six logs.
