Mishnah
Mishnah

Comentário sobre Ketubot 2:4

זֶה אוֹמֵר זֶה כְתַב יָדִי וְזֶה כְתַב יָדוֹ שֶׁל חֲבֵרִי, וְזֶה אוֹמֵר זֶה כְתַב יָדִי וְזֶה כְתַב יָדוֹ שֶׁל חֲבֵרִי, הֲרֵי אֵלּוּ נֶאֱמָנִין. זֶה אוֹמֵר זֶה כְתַב יָדִי וְזֶה אוֹמֵר זֶה כְתַב יָדִי, צְרִיכִים לְצָרֵף עִמָּהֶם אַחֵר, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים, אֵינָן צְרִיכִין לְצָרֵף עִמָּהֶם אַחֵר, אֶלָּא נֶאֱמָן אָדָם לוֹמַר זֶה כְתַב יָדִי:

Se alguém disser: Esta é a minha assinatura, e essa é a assinatura do meu amigo; e o outro diz: Esta é a minha assinatura, e é a assinatura do meu amigo, acredita-se, [existem duas testemunhas para cada assinatura.] Se um diz: Esta é a minha assinatura, e o outro diz: Esta é a minha assinatura, eles devem se juntar a outra (testemunha) com eles. [Pois eles testemunham sua assinatura, e não a manah (a quantia) da ação, e cada assinatura requer duas testemunhas.] Estas são as palavras de Rebbi. E os sábios dizem: Eles não precisam se juntar a outro com eles, mas acredita-se que um homem diga: Esta é a minha assinatura. [Porque eles testemunham a maná da ação, e quando cada um diz: Esta é a minha assinatura, há duas testemunhas para a maná da ação. A halachá está de acordo com os sábios.]

Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot

הרי אלו נאמנים – for surely there are two witnesses on all of the handwritings.
Ask RabbiBookmarkShareCopy

English Explanation of Mishnah Ketubot

Introduction The previous mishnah discussed witnesses testifying about their signatures. This mishnah continues to discuss the subject.
Ask RabbiBookmarkShareCopy

Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot

צריכים לצרף עמהם אחר – that on their own signatures they testify, not on the Maneh/monetary portion (the weight of gold or silver equal to one hundred common or fifty sacred shekels) in the document , and they require two witnesses for each handwriting.
Ask RabbiBookmarkShareCopy

English Explanation of Mishnah Ketubot

[If] one witness says, “This is my handwriting and that is the handwriting of my fellow”, and the other [witness] says, “This is my handwriting and that is the handwriting of my fellow”, they are believed. [If] one says, “This is my handwriting” and the other says, “This is my handwriting” they must join to themselves another [person], the words of Rabbi [Judah Hanasi]. But the Sages say: they need not join to themselves another [person], rather a person is believed to say, “this is my handwriting. [If] one witness says, “This is my handwriting and that is the handwriting of my fellow”, and the other [witness] says, “This is my handwriting and that is the handwriting of my fellow”, they are believed. [If] one says, “This is my handwriting” and the other says, “This is my handwriting” they must join to themselves another [person], the words of Rabbi [Judah Hanasi]. But the Sages say: they need not join to themselves another [person], rather a person is believed to say, “this is my handwriting. Generally, two witnesses are required to create valid testimony in Jewish law. In order to validate a signature two witnesses are needed about each signature on the document. If each witness affirms his own signature and the other person’s signature, then both signatures on the document have been affirmed by two people, and the document has been validated. However, if each person cannot affirm the other signature on the document, they must find another person to affirm the signature. Note that one person can affirm both signatures, so long as he recognizes them. All of this is Rabbi Judah Hanasi’s opinion. He holds that the witnesses are actually testifying about their signatures and therefore we need two witnesses on each signature. The Sages hold that a person is believed when he affirms his signature. Therefore, neither needs to bring someone else to join his affirmation. The Sages reason that the witnesses are actually testifying as to the contents of the document. Hence the two are in and of themselves sufficient.
Ask RabbiBookmarkShareCopy

Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot

וחכ"א אומרים אינם צריכין לצרף עמהם חר – that on the Maneh/monetary portion in the document they are testifying and when this one says, “this is my signature,” and the other [witness] says, “this is my signature,” it is found that there are two witnesses for the monetary amount in the document and the Halakha is according to the Sages.
Ask RabbiBookmarkShareCopy
Versículo anteriorCapítulo completoPróximo versículo