Talmud sur Zevahim 11:12

May one put spices at the bottom and pour¹⁶⁷Boiling water. Is this cooking on the Sabbath and cooking in the sense of Mishnah 7 here? The question arises because of Mishnah Šabbat 3:6: “One may not put spices into a hot pan or a pot taken from the fire, but one may put them on a plate or a bowl.” This is similar to using oil as described in Mishnah 7 here. on them from above? Rebbi Jonah said, it is forbidden and pouring acts as first vessel. The force of Rebbi Jonah comes from this¹⁶⁸Mishnah Zebaḥim 11:7. Lev. 6:21 precribes that pottery vessels after being used to cook a ḥaṭṭat sacrifice must be broken and metal vessels cleansed and washed. The Mishnah explicitly includes pouring hot water in the biblical definition of “cooking”.: “Both vessels used for cooking or into which it was poured boiling.” (And here, you say so?)¹⁶⁹This sentence is missing in the Šabbat text and is out of place here. Rebbi Yose said, there a pottery vessel absorbs; spices are not cooked¹⁷⁰It is generally agreed that pottery must be broken because it absorbs particles from the sacrifice which on the following day become forbidden. Cf. J. Milgrom, Leviticus 1–16, pp. 404–407, New York 1991.. Rebbi Yose bar Rebbi Abun objected: Did we not state¹⁷¹Sifra Ẓaw, Pereq 7(1). The argument is that Lev. 6:21 reads a passive “a pottery vessel in which something has been cooked”, not “in which one cooked”. This is taken to mean that one cooks in, not by the vessel. In that case, the vessel is really “second vessel” (cf. Note 163) since its walls do not transfer heat to the meat being cooked. The only case one can think of is pouring boiling water into the vessel. Since the argument of R. Yose does not work for metal pots, R. Jonah is justified., “the same holds for brass vessels.” Can one say that brass vessels absorb?

HALAKHAH: May one put spices at the bottom and pour on them from above¹⁵⁵Since the Mishnah forbids putting spices in a pot not on a fire but still boiling hot.? Rebbi Jonah said, it is forbidden and pouring confers the status of primary vessel. The force of Rebbi Jonah comes from this¹⁵⁶Mishnah Zevaḥim 11:7. Lev. 6:21 precribes that pottery vessels after being used to cook a ḥaṭṭat sacrifice must be broken and metal vessels cleansed and washed. The Mishnah explicitly includes pouring hot water in the biblical definition of “cooking”.: “Both vessels used for cooking or into which it was poured boiling.” Rebbi Yose said, there a pottery vessel absorbs; spices are not cooked¹⁵⁷It is generally agreed that pottery must be broken because it absorbs particles from the sacrifice which on the following day become forbidden. Cf. J. Milgrom, Leviticus 1–16, pp. 404–407, New York 1991.. Rebbi Yose ben Rebbi Abun objected: Did we not state¹⁵⁸Sifra Ṣaw, Pereq 7(1). The argument is that Lev. 6:21 reads a passive “a pottery vessel in which something has been cooked”, not “in which one cooked”. This is taken to mean that one cooks in, not by the vessel. In that case, the vessel is really “secondary vessel” since its walls do not transfer heat to the meat being cooked. The only case one can think of is pouring boiling water into the vessel. Since the argument of R. Yose does not work for metal pots, R. Jonah is justified., “the same holds for brass vessels.” Can one say that brass vessels absorb?