R. Yishmael said three things before the sages in Kerem Beyavneh [The sages used to sit in rows, like a vineyard (kerem) planted row on row of vines]: (He said) about a scrambled egg [in a pot, the white being intermixed with the yoke], placed over a green of terumah, that it is considered chibbur ("connection"). [i.e., If a tevul yom touches the egg, even though it is chullin (i.e., non-terumah), terumah not obtaining with an egg, and a tevul yom not invalidating chullin, still it is considered "chibbur" (a connection of the egg with the green) and the green is invalidated as if he had touched it.] And if it were like a dome [i.e., If the egg had "swollen" and become like a dome over the green (nothing intervening between it and the green)], it is not chibbur.
Jerusalem Talmud Peah
MISHNAH: For a grain stack under which gleanings were not collected, all ears that touch the ground are for the poor1Since gleanings cannot be taken from under the stack, the farmer robbed the poor by not letting them search before he used that space. He is punished by an extreme application of the principle that “gleanings in doubt belong to the poor.”. If the wind dispersed any sheaves2In this case, the farmer has the obvious right to rake the dispersed stalks together. But thereby he also takes the gleanings for the poor and has to make up for this., one estimates what amount of gleanings that would have yielded, and he gives that to the poor. Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel says, he gives to the poor the average fall3Which has been determined once and for all and is explained in the Halakhah..
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Jerusalem Talmud Kilayim
Rebbi Joḥanan said, Rebbi Yose, Rebbi Ismael and Rebbi Joḥanan ben Nuri, all three said the same thing. Rebbi Ismael, as we have stated13Mishnah Idiut 2:4, of the statements about accepted practices collected when Rabban Gamliel was deposed and R. Eleazar ben Azariah was installed as patriarch. The garden is a small plot, on each side a vine is planted and their branches are trained over a trellis. For a situation comparable to the one here one has to assume that plot and trellis are enclosed by a fence ten hand-breadths high.: “About a small garden surrounded by a trellis, if there is room for the vintner and his basket on each side one may sow there, if not, it may not be sown.” Rebbi Jonah said, the vintner requires one cubit, his basket one cubit on each side. They wanted to say, for him who says one measures from the roots of the vine, all is in order. For him who says one measures from the bottom of the fence, do the stems not diminish the measure of four cubits14If one measures two cubits from each side of the stem of thickness t the distance of the end of the forbidden domain from the fence will be 4+t > 4 and R. Ismael cannot agree with R. Joḥanan ben Nuri that as soon as the distance is > 4 there are only isolated vines.? Explain it if they were clinging to the wall. But are there not only four and the rules of the trellis start with five? Rebbi Ḥananiah said, explain it that two vines are planted at a corner; if one stretches a rope one sees four intervals15There are two possible interpretations of this statement. The traditional one is that there is a single vine on each side and an additional one planted at one corner for a total of six. But in that case, there are five intervals; in addition, the comparison between the opinions of R. Jose and R. Ismael would not work! R. Ḥananiah must insist that the rules of trellis do not depend on the number of vines but on the number of spaces between them. In a linear order, for four spaces one needs five vines. But in a circular arrangement, four vines define four intervals. I prefer to read the statement as: “Any two vines form a corner, for a total of four intervals.”. Rebbi Yose, as we have stated16Mishnah 5:4.: “If there are less than four cubits one should not bring seeds there.” For him who says one measures from the roots of the vine, all is in order. For him who says one measures from the bottom of the fence, does the stem not decrease the measure of four cubits? Explain it if it was clinging to the wall. And similarly Rebbi Joḥanan ben Nuri here. It is reasonable to assume that Rebbi Yose and Rebbi Ismael will agree with Rebbi Joḥanan ben Nuri, but Rebbi Joḥanan ben Nuri will not agree with Rebbi Yose and Rebbi Ismael17R. Joḥanan ben Nuri might not agree that vines not planted in a straight line, even if strung on a trellis, ever need four cubits. But R. Yose and R. Ismael must agree that in the case of the Mishnah, the first four cubits are forbidden. R. Yose has to agree with R. Ismael since he requires four cubits even if the vines do not form a regular pattern, but we have no statement of R. Ismael if the stems of the vines do not form a square or at least a parallelogram.. Rebbi Yose will agree with Rebbi Ismael but Rebbi Ismael will not agree with Rebbi Yose.
