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Kommentar zu Ketubot 2:4

זֶה אוֹמֵר זֶה כְתַב יָדִי וְזֶה כְתַב יָדוֹ שֶׁל חֲבֵרִי, וְזֶה אוֹמֵר זֶה כְתַב יָדִי וְזֶה כְתַב יָדוֹ שֶׁל חֲבֵרִי, הֲרֵי אֵלּוּ נֶאֱמָנִין. זֶה אוֹמֵר זֶה כְתַב יָדִי וְזֶה אוֹמֵר זֶה כְתַב יָדִי, צְרִיכִים לְצָרֵף עִמָּהֶם אַחֵר, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים, אֵינָן צְרִיכִין לְצָרֵף עִמָּהֶם אַחֵר, אֶלָּא נֶאֱמָן אָדָם לוֹמַר זֶה כְתַב יָדִי:

Wenn man sagt: Dies ist meine Unterschrift, und das ist die Unterschrift meines Freundes; und der andere sagt: Dies ist meine Unterschrift, und das ist die Unterschrift meines Freundes, man glaubt, es gibt zwei Zeugen für jede Unterschrift. Wenn einer sagt: Dies ist meine Unterschrift, und der andere sagt: Dies ist meine Unterschrift, Sie müssen sich einem anderen (Zeugen) anschließen. [Denn sie bezeugen ihre Unterschrift und nicht die Manah (den Betrag) der Tat, und jede Unterschrift erfordert zwei Zeugen.] Dies sind die Worte von Rebbi. Und die Weisen sagen: Sie müssen sich nicht mit ihnen verbinden, aber es wird angenommen, dass ein Mann sagt: Dies ist meine Unterschrift. [Denn sie bezeugen die Manah der Tat, und wenn jeder sagt: Dies ist meine Unterschrift, gibt es zwei Zeugen für die Manah der Tat. Die Halacha entspricht den Weisen.]

Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot

הרי אלו נאמנים – for surely there are two witnesses on all of the handwritings.
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English Explanation of Mishnah Ketubot

Introduction The previous mishnah discussed witnesses testifying about their signatures. This mishnah continues to discuss the subject.
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צריכים לצרף עמהם אחר – that on their own signatures they testify, not on the Maneh/monetary portion (the weight of gold or silver equal to one hundred common or fifty sacred shekels) in the document , and they require two witnesses for each handwriting.
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English Explanation of Mishnah Ketubot

[If] one witness says, “This is my handwriting and that is the handwriting of my fellow”, and the other [witness] says, “This is my handwriting and that is the handwriting of my fellow”, they are believed. [If] one says, “This is my handwriting” and the other says, “This is my handwriting” they must join to themselves another [person], the words of Rabbi [Judah Hanasi]. But the Sages say: they need not join to themselves another [person], rather a person is believed to say, “this is my handwriting. [If] one witness says, “This is my handwriting and that is the handwriting of my fellow”, and the other [witness] says, “This is my handwriting and that is the handwriting of my fellow”, they are believed. [If] one says, “This is my handwriting” and the other says, “This is my handwriting” they must join to themselves another [person], the words of Rabbi [Judah Hanasi]. But the Sages say: they need not join to themselves another [person], rather a person is believed to say, “this is my handwriting. Generally, two witnesses are required to create valid testimony in Jewish law. In order to validate a signature two witnesses are needed about each signature on the document. If each witness affirms his own signature and the other person’s signature, then both signatures on the document have been affirmed by two people, and the document has been validated. However, if each person cannot affirm the other signature on the document, they must find another person to affirm the signature. Note that one person can affirm both signatures, so long as he recognizes them. All of this is Rabbi Judah Hanasi’s opinion. He holds that the witnesses are actually testifying about their signatures and therefore we need two witnesses on each signature. The Sages hold that a person is believed when he affirms his signature. Therefore, neither needs to bring someone else to join his affirmation. The Sages reason that the witnesses are actually testifying as to the contents of the document. Hence the two are in and of themselves sufficient.
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Bartenura on Mishnah Ketubot

וחכ"א אומרים אינם צריכין לצרף עמהם חר – that on the Maneh/monetary portion in the document they are testifying and when this one says, “this is my signature,” and the other [witness] says, “this is my signature,” it is found that there are two witnesses for the monetary amount in the document and the Halakha is according to the Sages.
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