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Tosefta Pesachim

One who slaughtered [the Passover offering] for its purpose but completed [the rituals associated with the sacrifice] for a different purpose -- it is valid because [a sacrifice] is rendered valid through the slaughter. How is it "slaughtered for those who cannot eat it" (Pes. 5:3)? [This applies where] he slaughtered for a sick person or for an elderly person who cannot eat an olive's-bulk. How is it [slaughtered] for "those who are not registered" (ibid.)? [This applies where] he slaughtered it for members of a different collective. [If] he slaughtered for [both] circumcised and uncircumcised, or for [both] impure persons and for pure persons, it is valid. Abba Shaul disqualifies it, and it is logical that it should be disqualified, since [a person's unfit status] at the time [of the sacrifice] disqualifies [a sacrifice], and an uncircumcised person is disqualified *and an impure person is disqualified (following the GR"A). Just as "the time" (i.e., where the butcher both intends that sacrifice be eaten in its proper time and not at its proper time, see Minchat Bikkurim) makes it [disqualified under the principle of] "the part is like the whole," so too an uncircumcised person makes it [disqualified under] "the part is like the whole." Or perhaps look at it this way: Since an impure person and an uncircumcised person are disqualified, just as [partial] impurity does not cause [application of the principle] "the part is like the whole," thus so too a [partially] uncircumcised person does not cause [application of the principle] "the part is like the whole." Let us see to what case it is similar: We derive a matter that does not apply to every offering (i.e., lack of circumcision), from a [different] matter that does not apply to every offering (i.e., impurity), and it is proven from "time," which [also] does not apply to all offerings. Or perhaps look at it this way: We derive a matter which does not permit exception to a general prohibition, from a [different] matter which does not permit an exception to a general prohibition, and it is not proven from impurity, which does permit an exception to a general prohibition.
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Tosefta Pesachim

One who slaughtered [the Passover offering] for its purpose but completed [the rituals associated with the sacrifice] for a different purpose -- it is valid because [a sacrifice] is rendered valid through the slaughter. How is it "slaughtered for those who cannot eat it" (Pes. 5:3)? [This applies where] he slaughtered for a sick person or for an elderly person who cannot eat an olive's-bulk. How is it [slaughtered] for "those who are not registered" (ibid.)? [This applies where] he slaughtered it for members of a different collective. [If] he slaughtered for [both] circumcised and uncircumcised, or for [both] impure persons and for pure persons, it is valid. Abba Shaul disqualifies it, and it is logical that it should be disqualified, since [a person's unfit status] at the time [of the sacrifice] disqualifies [a sacrifice], and an uncircumcised person is disqualified *and an impure person is disqualified (following the GR"A). Just as "the time" (i.e., where the butcher both intends that sacrifice be eaten in its proper time and not at its proper time, see Minchat Bikkurim) makes it [disqualified under the principle of] "the part is like the whole," so too an uncircumcised person makes it [disqualified under] "the part is like the whole." Or perhaps look at it this way: Since an impure person and an uncircumcised person are disqualified, just as [partial] impurity does not cause [application of the principle] "the part is like the whole," thus so too a [partially] uncircumcised person does not cause [application of the principle] "the part is like the whole." Let us see to what case it is similar: We derive a matter that does not apply to every offering (i.e., lack of circumcision), from a [different] matter that does not apply to every offering (i.e., impurity), and it is proven from "time," which [also] does not apply to all offerings. Or perhaps look at it this way: We derive a matter which does not permit exception to a general prohibition, from a [different] matter which does not permit an exception to a general prohibition, and it is not proven from impurity, which does permit an exception to a general prohibition.
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One who slaughters the Passover offering along with chametz on the fourteenth [of Nissan] transgresses a negative commandment, [but the] Passover offering itself is valid, and he fulfills his obligation through it with [respect to] the Passover offering. And whether he is the one who slaughters it, or the one who sprinkles its blood, or the one who offers it up [on the Altar, he is liable]. In what case does this apply? When one of the members of a collective [who will partake in the Paschal lamb] has chametz [in his possession]. If none of the members of the collective has chametz, he is exempt, but the one who pinches the neck of a bird inside [the Temple] with chametz on the fourteenth transgresses a negative commandment.
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Rabbi Shimon says, [if] the Passover offering [is offered] on the fourteenth [along with chametz (see Minchat Yitzchak)] for its purpose, he is liable because [the offering] is valid [to be sacrificed on Passover], and [if] not for its purpose, he is exempt because it is disqualified. And [a Passover offering] on the intermediate days of the Festival -- for its purpose, he is exempt, because it is disqualified, but for a different purpose, he is liable, because it is valid. When does this apply? When they are fit to be brought as a Passover offering, but if they are not fit to be brought as a Passover offering, whether [it is sacrificed] for its purpose or not for its purpose, he is liable, because it is valid. Said Rabbi Shimon, a Passover offering on the fourteenth in its purpose is valid, and not for its purpose is disqualified. On the intermediate days of the Festival -- for its purpose, it is disqualified, and not for its purpose, it is valid. And when [else] does this apply? When it is fit to bring as a Passover offering, but if it is not fit to bring as a Passover offering, whether for its purpose or not for its purpose, it is valid.
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A Passover offering that was slaughtered in the morning of the fourteenth [of Nissan] that was not [slaughtered] by its name (i.e., it was designated for a different purpose, see Pes. 6:5), Rabbi Yehoshua deems it fit as though it was slaughtered on the thirteenth. Ben Beteira deems it disqualified as though it was slaughtered in the evening. Said Rabbi Yehoshua, "Since on the thirteenth it is not fit [to be a Pesach offering], and on the morning of the fourteenth it is not fit, would you not say that [if it was slaughtered] on the thirteenth for a different purpose it should be deemed valid? [Thus,] even on the morning of the fourteenth, if he slaughtered it for a different purpose, it it valid." [However,] he then reconsidered and instead supported the words of Ben Beteira [which were as follows]: "No. If you hold that on the thirteenth that it is not even somewhat fit [to be designated as a Passover offering], you must say that on the morning of the fourteenth, when it is at least somewhat fit [to be so designated], since it is at least somewhat fit, if it was slaughtered on the morning of the fourteenth for a different purpose, it is disqualified."
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The first Passover was [divided] among three groups (כתות not בתים, see GR"A and Pes. 5:7) and the second Passover was not [divided] among three groups. A Tamid sacrifice would be slaughtered in the evening, he (i.e., the Kohen) would burn the incense, and he would tend to the candles [of the menorah]. He would come to where the Passover offering was located, and he would cut it open and take out its sacrificial portions, even four or five [offerings at a time]. He would put them on a tray and burn them on top of the Altar. And on the Sabbath he would keep the carcass "dressed" (i.e., not flayed) and leave it and go out. Rabbi Yishmael bar Rabbi Yochanan ben Berokah says, [if] the fourteenth [of Nissan] fell on the Sabbath, he would not flay [the carcass] except until the place of the waving (i.e., the breast and thigh, see Men. 62a:1). [If] the Kohen who was to offer [the sacrifice] on the Altar would pour out [the blood] in a single pouring against the base [of the Altar], it would be disqualified. The Levites would stand on their platform and finished the Hallel in song. If they finished it, they would repeat it, and if they repeated it, they would repeat it a third time, although [in actuality] they never repeated it a third time in all their days. Said Rabbi Yehuda -- "in all their days" -- [indeed,] the third [and last] group never reached to "I love the Lord, for He hears" (Ps. 116:1), because the people were few and they would call it the "lazy group."
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The first Passover was [divided] among three groups (כתות not בתים, see GR"A and Pes. 5:7) and the second Passover was not [divided] among three groups. A Tamid sacrifice would be slaughtered in the evening, he (i.e., the Kohen) would burn the incense, and he would tend to the candles [of the menorah]. He would come to where the Passover offering was located, and he would cut it open and take out its sacrificial portions, even four or five [offerings at a time]. He would put them on a tray and burn them on top of the Altar. And on the Sabbath he would keep the carcass "dressed" (i.e., not flayed) and leave it and go out. Rabbi Yishmael bar Rabbi Yochanan ben Berokah says, [if] the fourteenth [of Nissan] fell on the Sabbath, he would not flay [the carcass] except until the place of the waving (i.e., the breast and thigh, see Men. 62a:1). [If] the Kohen who was to offer [the sacrifice] on the Altar would pour out [the blood] in a single pouring against the base [of the Altar], it would be disqualified. The Levites would stand on their platform and finished the Hallel in song. If they finished it, they would repeat it, and if they repeated it, they would repeat it a third time, although [in actuality] they never repeated it a third time in all their days. Said Rabbi Yehuda -- "in all their days" -- [indeed,] the third [and last] group never reached to "I love the Lord, for He hears" (Ps. 116:1), because the people were few and they would call it the "lazy group."
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The first Passover was [divided] among three groups (כתות not בתים, see GR"A and Pes. 5:7) and the second Passover was not [divided] among three groups. A Tamid sacrifice would be slaughtered in the evening, he (i.e., the Kohen) would burn the incense, and he would tend to the candles [of the menorah]. He would come to where the Passover offering was located, and he would cut it open and take out its sacrificial portions, even four or five [offerings at a time]. He would put them on a tray and burn them on top of the Altar. And on the Sabbath he would keep the carcass "dressed" (i.e., not flayed) and leave it and go out. Rabbi Yishmael bar Rabbi Yochanan ben Berokah says, [if] the fourteenth [of Nissan] fell on the Sabbath, he would not flay [the carcass] except until the place of the waving (i.e., the breast and thigh, see Men. 62a:1). [If] the Kohen who was to offer [the sacrifice] on the Altar would pour out [the blood] in a single pouring against the base [of the Altar], it would be disqualified. The Levites would stand on their platform and finished the Hallel in song. If they finished it, they would repeat it, and if they repeated it, they would repeat it a third time, although [in actuality] they never repeated it a third time in all their days. Said Rabbi Yehuda -- "in all their days" -- [indeed,] the third [and last] group never reached to "I love the Lord, for He hears" (Ps. 116:1), because the people were few and they would call it the "lazy group."
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As they did things on weekdays, so they also did things on the Sabbath, except that the Kohanim would mop up [the blood from] the Temple Courtyard, which was against the will of the Sages. How did [the Kohanim] mop the Temple Courtyard? They would seal it up and let a stream of water flow over it until it was made clean like [the color of] milk. Rabbi Yehuda says, a cup was filled with the blood of the various species [of sacrificed animals], and they sprinkled one sprinkle on top of the Altar, for [they reasoned that] if one of their blood was mixed in with it, it would render [the Altar] fit. [When the Sages saw one of the Kohanim doing this,] They said to him, "Is it not the case that [this blood] was not collected inside a vessel, and is it not the case that blood that is not collected inside a vessel is disqualified from [sprinkling] on top of the Altar? And another thing, that this is secondary blood [which comes out only after the animal is dead], and secondary blood is disqualified from [sprinkling] on top of the Altar." He said to them, "In that case, why do they seal off the Temple Courtyard and [why do] the Kohanim let the blood flow up to their knees?" They said to him, "Praised (a euphemism for 'cursed') be the Kohanim who let the blood flow up to their knees." § [Returning to the prior discussion, ] Rabbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov says, [with respect to the groupings of those bringing their Passover offerings to the Temple for slaughter (Pes. 5:9-5:10),] the third group went and sat in the Women's Courtyard.
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